ultimate gohan vs ssb goku

Toppo should be above begging of ToP ssb goku. Showing just how powerful Buuhan was. It appears that in the short time that passed since that fight, Gohan was able to get considerably stronger. No way is Goku fighting Gohan anywhere close to where he was fighting Toppo or Jiren. It's pretty dumb to say that Gohan isn't SSJB tier at this point. Because apparently anyone who lets their opponent touch them despite the clearly superior opponent simply allowing the lesser opponent some breathing space for whatever that reason may be automatically puts the lesser opponent on equal terms to the superior opponent according to your logic, right? Well, Ultimate Gohan is … @erkan12: you really think Goku wasn't holding back even in SSB? U6 Namekians being above him, and Gohan being above them just proves Gohan is over Z ssj3 tier which his mystic form always was. Gohan and Freeza are close in power, regardless of Manga or Anime, as Anime Gohan is stated to rival Goku's power, and Freeza is stated to be Goku's exact equal. What feats? Ultimate Gohan (DBS) vs. SSB Vegeta Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Mabel Gleeful, May 14, 2017. Gohan is a nice guy, he isn't a brute fighter, he wouldn't beat up Goku without asking him to use his full power. No way is Goku fighting Gohan anywhere close to where he was fighting Toppo or Jiren. Gohan asked him to show his full power a.k.a SSB+kaioken. However Piccolo ends up just one shottign the guy with ki blasts. Because the showings are all over the place. I already know I'm wasting my time with you, but it's just fascinating to read what lengths you're able to reach with these strawman arguments. because Perfect Cell did get punched by them nonstop after all, am I right? Goku was like "c'mon kid, wtf, you are way too weak" but Gohan kept begging so he turned SSB and used kaioken just for the show. I don’t give Gohan doing well against Blue that much credit because: 1) it makes no sense, like, beyond stupid for gohan to match that level of power, but more importantly... 2) Goku and Vegeta hold back against literally everyone even if it results in them getting beat up. Dragon Ball Super English Dubbed Episode 90 Reaction SSB Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku Tien vs Ultimate Mystic Gohan Piccolo Review. » Base Gogeta (fusions reborn) vs Ultimate Gohan. Oh, right, because Goku literally just being completely incapacitated by Jiren, only to still completely stomp both Caulifla and Kale 2v1 even while holding back and training them both, and then beating them fused, with everyone on the bleachers, even Kefla's own universe, saying they're no match against a fully healed Goku, is somehowon the same level as Goku to you.... Yea you've got to be trolling and keep removing context just for the sake of an argument. Hit couldn't even beat DYSPO until he figured out a trick to beat his senses. Would he? ..Are you serious with this sentence? What you are saying about plot holes, fails in powerscaling, etc. Well I am fine with either saying Gohan just got a random power up or DBS characters aren't that strong. Lol. Son Gohan is the eldest son of Son Goku and Chi-Chi, and one of the primary heroes of the second half of Dragon Ball. From their fight it seems to me Goku could have taken him just fine in SSJ2 or barring that SSJ3. 17, given god powers out of nowhere for no reason and given good moments in the ToP, 4. It's not surprising that he reached that level with only a less training. If anything base Gohan was doing a bit better. Only when Goku when Kaioken did Gohan lose. @Foremostproxy: He did not need it... did you even read what I wrote? erkan12 says: "And where is your argument against Golden Frieza?". Ultimate Gohan should be solid SSB level, and maybe even stronger than Vegeta was prior to his decision to push for some last moment serious training after feeling the final clash between Ultimate Gohan and SSBKK Goku. Roshi, did way better than someone of his power should of and got a whole episode dedicated to him that was actually good and a follow up episode that had a lot about him as well and even put up a fight against Frost (who stomped Piccolo before), 8. Goku only transformed because Gohan asked him to. But still Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.BardockGoku 08:19, October 22, 2011 (UTC) if he was, how come goku didnt wish him to the planet of the kais? Gohan leaves behind scuff marks on Goku's body after their final clash. Gohan cannot even sense god ki ffs. Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku. he claimed it was for the time limit, but we all know it was to not wound vegeta's pride. Because DBS has had a bunch of unreliable inconsistency. I also like how you completely side stepped away from the Gohan / Frieza vs Jimeze point which alone completely debunks your claims. As Whis stated, SSG is merely faster than Goku SSJ form and consumes less stamina than SSB. Goku then gets stronger and gets SSJB ontop of that, which is bare minimum 2-3x stronger than SSJG. Just because he's in a form doesn't mean he can't pull his punches. 17's beam were never causing any effect on Toppo whatsoever, and Toppo, and even U7 on the bleachers clearly stated as such (Android 18 and Piccolo specifically) that they were never hurting Toppo, but were used infinitely to stall the 5 minutes remaining. He would do that with SSB only. Cause he lost alot of power from not training and he regained his old strength by training with piccilo but he isn't universal at all man, you're just wanting gohan to be strong to a point he can't be. Gohan with his Buu Saga Ultimate form forced Goku into SSb form, and still held up. not even against vegeta he pull that out even zamasu was overwhelmed by it. Since than Goku's base form hasn't seemed that strong IMO. @jashro44: So are we saying that Ultimate Gohan would be an actually challenge for Golden Frieza if they fought for real? Did I not just give you an example of what Goku did vs SS2 Majin Vegeta and the Cell Saga's Gohan vs Goku in the HBTC for like 20 times now? Damn Near Equals. @oblivion360: I accidentally missed your reply. It's clearly not as powerful as people hype it up to be imo. I don't think Piccolo got crapped on in the ToP. It is. Actually, you don't have to answer that and I'll let you know why later. lol, if he was holding back so much, why'd he feel the need to Kaioken?1. I'm pretty sure that is better than anything Gohan did. As much as I like Gohan, Vegito is just on a completely different league, being a portara fusion. The fact 18 outlasted with more eliminations, and Roshi having more eliminations is already a bad sign. That was normal Gohan though, not Mystic Gohan transformation that fought Buu and Piccolo train Gohan before the Goku fight to do that again. Wow. It's literally the same thing Goku did vs SS2 Majin Vegeta during the Buu Saga..... You're just going to blatantly ignore that Gohan, word for word, said "this is my current full power!" And before anyone says it yea I know Buu beat Goku but he didn't over power him, he outsmarted him. Gohan had problems with a guy from U10 as well, and SSG Goku almost definitely could of beaten that guy. What do you get out of this? Based on what happend we can say that Mystic Gohan and SSJ2 Goku were "roughly" equals. Your denial on Gohan's power is at the peak. To me it seems more likely that either 1) Gohan's Ultimate form is stronger than before or 2) Goku was holding back in SSB form. He only turned to SSB because Gohan kept begging him to do so. Gohan was ALREADY at max full power before Goku went SS2 in the beginning of round 2, and Goku got the first hit IMMEDIATELY on top of handling him the entire fight. This new Mystic Gohan could hold his own against SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. I agree, but his base still seems Buu tier considering he was able to fight fit Buu in his base. Buu was above them individually, but he would have a really hard time with all 3 at once I would imagine. There is not enough space for "<" to describe it. SSB Goku's Kamehameha in the Exhibition Tournament also caused a far bigger impression than Gohan's at the ToP. Not to mention she had just released a bunch of energy before Jiren one shotted her. SSB Goku vs Universe 6 Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - Duration: 2:04. But Buu Saga Gohan is superior to SSJ2 Goku and match SSB goku using his full power for a short time. So? Please re watch the episode again, because this episode made it quite clear that Goku stomps on his son without question even when non serious. Unless he’s undoubtedly 100% serious then his showings should be taken with a grain of salt because he never goes all out. It's like the want him to look weak. Just like his kamehameha would have vaporized Krillin if he had not held back. Ultimate Gohan vs SSR Future Trunks Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - Duration: 1:46. A serious Goku should stomp. And any time Beerus gets serious in their fights(example being when he fodderized MSSJB Vegeta), it stops being an actual fight. Toppo in his non god of destruction state is potentially above exhibition match SSB Goku. This is hilarious. Gohan begging Goku to take him seriously as a fighter has precedence! WHY? Gohan stalemating Kefla means that the character is way more powerful than he's typically given credit for. No one way a person who is weaker than SSJB could do that. Also Kefla didn't have any God ki, but she was powerful enough to match with Goku, Gohan is no different. Against Gohan, who is roughly on SSB level you say, after he saw his full power he decided to use SSJ2 and gave Gohan a hard time (kicked his ass for the most part). Gohan obviously, he decently fought a SSGB Goku plus Kaioken, wth is wrong with some viners in this topic lol. And forget that Gohan was matching with Pirina and Saonel in a 2 v 1, both of them are individually strong enough to fodderize Piccolo. So you put current gohan on SSB goku's level? Then we have him going out in a non epic way, even worse than Tien's ring out who took someone with him. Posted by 3 years ago. Gohan's claims don't mean much when we have feats that support him not being as strong as SSB tier fighters. Mystic Gohan is as strong as SSG if not near equals with SSB Goku. Plus we have base Goku equal to the copy Vegeta that stomped ssj3 Gotenks, base Goku fighting final form Frieza who in his first form one shot killed Piccolo, ect. Because he didn't feel that he could easily over power Gohan without it.Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku.SSB Goku is far stronger than SSG Goku.The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. But I don't see how anyone could say Goku could win in his SSJ forms when it was confirmed Gohan fought goku with power that rivals his and Gohan wasn't fighting with his full power until Goku went Blue.... @Foremostproxy: He did not need it... did you even read what I wrote? Likes Received: 95 Trophy Points: 688 Joined: Nov 8, 2011. Yes when they were sparing Gohan asked his father to go all out. Its hard to quantify how powerful Gohan is based off his match with Goku anyway. Someone needs to make a thread re-evaluating SSJG/SSJB's power. That was not a real fight. @stricnyn3: freiza didn't give toppo a near death experience. Meh, DBS is somewhat inconsistent, which makes this hard. But the fights Goku and Gohan have had thus far tell a different story to the narrator statements. They were clearly showing how he was hurting his back while Toppo was overwhelming 17's beam. So with all that said how does Mystic Gohan stack with SSB Goku in DBS? Then you have the SSJ transformations; which makes Goku (At SSJ3), 160,000 … SSG Goku fought controlled berserk Kale and ssj2 Caulifla at the same time and was going to win. Seems like SSJ3 should have been fine to handle it. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It was stated in episode 91 by the narrator that current Gohan rivals Goku. Haha Supreme trust you to point out the plot hole of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Ultimate Gohan. @erkan12: you realize he was probably holding back right? @erkan12: "Goku just used SSJB KK to keep his son happy right?". And since then he has become a lot stronger. Goku: as of 125 he's become exponentially stronger since 109 &110, in 109 SSB kaiokenx20 Goku is effortlessly blinked away by Jiren, even the spirit bomb is blinked away. My very first reply here shows pictures detailing how Gohan was already at full power right as Goku went SS2, yet was still losing easily, yet wanted his dad to take him seriously in order to truly test his limits, a call back to DBZ's Cell Saga's Goku vs Gohan / SS1 moment in the HBTC. Archived [Question] Is Ultimate Gohan able to be stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta? Golden Frieza vs Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan(DBS) Battle. YOU, on the other hand, are some strange Gohan wanker and will wank or lowball anyone around him if it makes Gohan look good. Also, if you can, read my recent replies on the matter about the purpose of Gohan vs Goku's episode. » re: Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rosé Goku Black. I am getting the sense though that Gohan is meant to be on blue tier though. And in that one episode with the sniper Piccolo lost like 5 arms, lol. And certainly, Goku held back against Kale. Kurilin still beats both, he overpowered kamehameha from SSB Goku. With that said though, I'm sorry but that's not the case. Oh, and please tell me when Obuni, Pirina, Saonel and Koichirator pre fusion were god tier? Goku should win easily, but since DBS has no sense of proper scaling, it's possible Gohan could take some rounds. As for the fight I think Gohan wins. F.x: Supressed Beerus godstomps Ultimate Gohan but is matched by 80% SSJG Goku. Yeah it was an act for sure, but why would Frieza say he would have killed Gohan if he hadn't caught on? Its hard to say with the way DBS is. Add to that the Kaioken and Goku should be many times stronger than an untrained Gohan who not even a single day ago couldn't use his Mystic-form. I mean if that was true it means that Golden Frieza would likely be inferior to Buuhan. I think the idea of that fight was to show team work and strategy is important. Lol, holding your own against Super Saiyan Blue Goku barely even means anything anymore. I'm loving how you're literally just listing what opponents Gohan had to fight without even thinking of any context of power level within each fight or the fact he was clearly helped. Composite, ergo current SSG Goku as of 125,then Gohan might lose. So what was the point of having his fight start with him getting wrecked if he was just going to easily win? unless you mean to say that Cabba is basicly equal to vegeta because vegeta went SSB and knocked him out? 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